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Post by GravityEmblem on Mar 10, 2021 8:52:26 GMT -8
By the way, spells!
1st Level: Command, Bless, Sanctuary, Protection From Evil, Protection From Evil
2nd Level: Flame Blade, Dust Devil, Spiritual Hammer, Spiritual Hammer, Produce Flame
3rd Level: Pyrotechnics, Dispel Magic, Prayer
4th Level: Abjure
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Post by Daos on Mar 10, 2021 14:39:31 GMT -8
...but honestly I'd play a priest/cleric of Renos before I'd play a cleric of Crizza. Why is that, if you don't mind my asking? By the way, spells! 1st Level: Command, Bless, Sanctuary, Protection From Evil, Protection From Evil 2nd Level: Flame Blade, Dust Devil, Spiritual Hammer, Spiritual Hammer, Produce Flame 3rd Level: Pyrotechnics, Dispel Magic, Prayer 4th Level: Abjure Got it, spells updated. |
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Post by GreyWolfVT on Mar 12, 2021 6:39:14 GMT -8
I really like "Darwinism" and would not mind playing a Darwin like cleric. Where as a Crizza cleric not sure I can pull off that vision aptly.
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Post by GravityEmblem on Mar 16, 2021 5:38:16 GMT -8
Imagine if Kallian is such a grumpy Renosian that she doesn't get hired, and I have to roll up a new character.  |
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Post by GreyWolfVT on Mar 16, 2021 7:22:43 GMT -8
Imagine if Kallian is such a grumpy Renosian that she doesn't get hired, and I have to roll up a new character.  let us hope not. |
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Post by Daos on Mar 16, 2021 13:23:18 GMT -8
That actually happened once.
It was years ago. I had this one player, quite young at the time, who had a penchant for playing very arrogant and obnoxious characters. His character died in combat, so he rolled up a new one (human druid, if I'm remembering correctly). I think he may have relied a bit too much on the idea that the party would automatically accept the new character into the group, because he introduced him in the most obnoxious way possible. He sneered at and belittled the party, forcefully invited himself into their group, and criticized them for their past actions (basically implying that all of their past mistakes were due to him not having been there to keep a tight leash on them).
Unanimously, the party voted to not accept him into the group. It's not something I had ever seen before or since. The player decided to sit out the rest of the campaign rather than roll up yet another character.
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Post by GravityEmblem on Mar 16, 2021 13:32:03 GMT -8
Ouch, he doesn't sound very pleasant. I hope Kallian is easier to deal with than that.  I don't usually play disagreeable characters--for this very reason, actually. The closest thing before Kallian is actually Kori, from Past Glory. Even then, she's not really a jerk like Kallian is, she's just tricky to deal with, having a hard time understanding things and not thinking about what she says before she says it. Not uncoincidentally, they both have awful Charisma scores. |
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Post by GreyWolfVT on Mar 16, 2021 14:07:15 GMT -8
Youch. Yeah never had that experience myself. I had a friend that often played Half-Orc characters with low charisma even before the stat mods for the race. He claimed to like making his character especially ugly looking. Never arrogant or rude but often doing things to get us into jail or at least him into jail at times. Never was a campaign if we didn't have to bust or bail out the big bad half-orc warrior. We joked about leaving him in jail a couple of times like after he decided to make a "brothel" person look as ugly as them using a torch...needless to say the "Elite Town Guard" found us and surrounding us all very quickly. We all went to jail for that one and it was only one character's actions. At any rate we fled that town after getting out never to return and we never let the half-orc near any brothels.
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Post by Daos on Mar 16, 2021 14:59:50 GMT -8
In retrospect, I think everyone was getting pretty tired of his nonsense by that point anyway. The incredibly obnoxious way his newest character acted was likely just the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.
His first character for that campaign was a kobold transmuter who was literally described in the personality section of his biography as "in a word, annoying" as well as "argumentative, petty, competitive, and a difficult being to work with." He got so bad that eventually every interaction involving him just resulted in the others yelling "SHUT UP!" or some variant of it. So he dropped the character and rolled a new one. That one lasted four sessions before dying (fireball), so I don't remember him well. His next character after that, though, got some terrible rolls: 13, 12, 8, 6, 5, 4. So he made a hobgoblin fighter (+1 STR/-1 CHA) and wound up with this:
STR: 14
DEX: 8
CON: 12
INT: 4
WIS: 5
CHA: 5
He basically played him as a violent manchild, justifying everything his character did, no matter how detrimental to the party with, "I can't help it, he has an INT of 4/WIS of 5/CHA of 5!" His personality was "stupid, rude, incredibly arrogant, reckless, and irreverent." He was less a contributor to the party as he was a liability that had to be constantly babysat to keep out of trouble. He had a blast with the character, but he made everyone else miserable. To the point that when he eventually fell in combat, nobody bothered to try healing him and everyone actually sighed in relief when I declared he had reached -10 HP.
So after all of that, when his new character showed up and acted so arrogant and demanding? Yeah, I think they had all run out of patience by that point with him.
And that was all just from that one campaign. In previous campaigns, he pulled other similar stunts, although never quite as egregious. One memorable moment was in an Octhanian naval campaign (one of the precursors to this one, in fact), where he played the captain. He was a human paladin of the goddess of healing (a sort of precursor to Octhanus). At one point the party ran afoul of a ghost ship, filled with undead. Horizon's character, a human sea ranger, was killed. After the fight ended, he promptly threw her body overboard. When Horizon objected, pointing out that her character's father was a prominent admiral and lived in the city they were sailing to next, so he could probably afford to get her raised, he just shrugged and said, "My character doesn't believe resurrection exists." Again, pointing out that he was a paladin of the goddess of healing.
I also once ran an evil campaign. It was the one and only time I ever did so, and he was one of the bigger reasons as to why I'll never do it again. Let's just say that his idea of 'evil' was to constantly try and murder the other PCs at every opportunity. He seemed to think that if he was the last one standing, it meant he 'won' the game.
Not sure whatever happened to him. Haven't had any contact with him in over a decade; but hopefully he grew up a bit since then. I think he was around Gravity's age when he first joined, so I guess he'd be in his mid-to-late 20s by now.
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Post by GreyWolfVT on Mar 16, 2021 15:16:45 GMT -8
Well ok yeah I can entirely understand nobody wanting play with that guy holy crap.
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Post by HorizonsDream on Mar 16, 2021 15:47:57 GMT -8
Yeah, that guy didn't even consult me about my character in that naval campaign. He just threw my character's body into the water, and to be honest, he seemed really happy about it.
In the evil game, my character was the first character that he killed. I rolled up a new one, and then I pretty much dominated that game after that. He was NOT happy about it.
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Post by GreyWolfVT on Mar 16, 2021 17:23:37 GMT -8
Ha ha! Well bully on you for getting him back in that game Horizons.  |
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Post by Daos on Mar 16, 2021 19:10:33 GMT -8
In the evil game, my character was the first character that he killed. I rolled up a new one, and then I pretty much dominated that game after that. He was NOT happy about it. It was him and another player* who teamed up to kill her character (a human thief). She then rolled a new character, a human enchantress**, and she was quite potent. She managed to charm several enemies into becoming her bodyguards. When those two players realized she was now too strong for them to fight against, they attempted to ditch her--essentially, wait until night, then pack up their stuff and sneak away, forcing her to roll a new character. When Horizon said she would quit the game if they were just going to keep killing or abandoning her character, forcing her to reroll again and again, they actually called her a bad sport. That's the point where I killed the game, realizing it was never going to be anything but a constant PvP fight throughout. *Even worse than the younger player I've been talking about, and the only guy I ever banned from my games. He was rude, unpleasant, deeply misogynistic, and an argumentative rules-lawyer. A terrible influence on the younger player, too. He had implied on more than one occasion that he felt women weren't 'suited' to roleplay, and seemed to be trying to prove it by constantly harassing Horizon. If it happened today, I would have shut him down immediately, but I was young and dumb back then, and let it go far too long. I only finally banned him when, in the next non-evil game, he kept intentionally trying to trigger a TPK. **Ladonna Marche, actually. Yep, Horizon's LSG character is a sort of reboot of that one. |
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Post by GreyWolfVT on Mar 17, 2021 5:02:05 GMT -8
Well some people are just ignorant cavemen. Females can role-play quite well. If they couldn't would we really ever have actresses? I haven't met a whole lot of them in any in-person RPG groups but I have online plenty of times. Plenty of them better at it than males.
Well at any rate...if an evil alignment game comes up where you are looking for them to do an adventure I am up for that and not making it a PVP.
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Post by GravityEmblem on Mar 17, 2021 5:13:08 GMT -8
Ouch. That is NASTY business. I promise Kallian won't be like that. She's a greedy grump, but she's not a jerk.
In my mind, Evil Campaigns are an extremely delicate business that should only be done with people you know really well, to avoid these sorts of circumstances. Setting up guidelines could help (eg. "This is a game where you're working for an evil empire. It is NOT a PvP.")
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let us hope not.
