LSO OOC Thread II

[Daos]

Alright.  So a Mercy on the cleric side and a Storm Sorcerer on the mage side.  I'll get started when I finish Senllip's henchman.

[HorizonsDream]

So Kalana is going to need to hire more crew for the Blue Moon, especially those that would be able to man the new weapons she is installing.

[Bishgada]

Can we hire more crew aside from the cleric? We need to fill the ranks and indeed add people to operate the weapons.

We didn't decide if we coordinate how we arm the ships. Senllip would install 1 heavy catapult and 1 medium ballista and two cannons if possible. I feel like it is stretching our money really thin... If it is too much I think one cannon instead of 2.

[Daos]

Yes, you can hire more regular crewmen.  In case you forgot how that works, here's the post again:

Crewmen are level 0 characters who can serve either as sailors/rowers, boarders, artillerists, or firefighters. These are all completely interchangeable, if necessary. In fact, as captain, one of your duties is to assign these positions in battle. Anyway, how much it costs to hire crewmen depends on their level of experience. They fall into the following groups: Landlubbers, Scurvy Rats, Mates, Mariners and Old Salts.

Landlubbers - These individuals have little to no previous sailing experience and no desire to perform well. Traveling with a crew of landlubbers is often very dangerous. Landlubbers hire themselves out for 2 GP a month. A crew of slaves usually fall into this category, but work for free, obviously. Landlubbers suffer a -2 penalty to any maneuverability or pursuit checks. So basically, they are super cheap, but not very good at their jobs; but if you are strapped for cash and just need warm bodies, they'll do in a pinch.

Scurvy Rats - These are crewmen with some sailing experience--perhaps a couple of short voyages--and some desire to perform well. Cutthroats and other rogues often appear among sailors with his degree of experience. Scurvy Rats hire themselves out for 3 GP a month. A crew of slaves might rise to this category if well trained, well cared for, and highly motivated. Scurvy Rats suffer a -1 penalty to any maneuverability or pursuit checks.

Mates - Professional sailors (men and women who make their livelihood sailing the seas) fall into this category. Mates make up the majority of most sailors found in any given place. They are competent, dutiful, and fairly loyal (as long as the captain treats them right). Mates hire themselves out for 4 GP a month and have a modifier of 0 on maneuverability and pursuit checks.

Mariners - These are highly experienced sailors. Often these crewmen are somewhat older and have a few scars--physical or emotional--from their years of sea travel. They often have a few outrageous stories which they like to recount over a cool drink. They hire themselves out for 5 GP a month and get a +1 bonus to their maneuverability and pursuit checks.

Old Salts - These weathered men and women represent some of the most skilled sailors in the world. Old Salts have spent most of their lives at sea. They often prove tough, leathery, and argumentative--though never to their captains or first mates. Younger sailors often hang on every fantastic yarn these oldtimers spin. Old Salts hire themselves out for 6 GP a month. Sometimes, they demand a small share in any profit netted from a ship's voyage in addition to wages. They receive a +2 bonus to maneuverability and pursuit checks.

Jul 31, 2022 0:46:15 GMT -8 Bishgada said:

Senllip would install 1 heavy catapult and 1 medium ballista and two cannons if possible. I feel like it is stretching our money really thin... If it is too much I think one cannon instead of 2.

That exceeds how many points your ship is allowed to carry in artillery.

Jul 21, 2022 20:05:54 GMT -8 Daos said:

(OOC:  A sohar has 45 HP and a cargo ship has only 36 HP.  Both sohar and cargo ships have 100 tons of cargo space.  Installing an artillery weapon uses up a number of HP and cargo space tons, and once you have filled either, you can't install any more.)

Ballista, light - 5 points (1 ton)
Ballista, medium - 10 points (3 tons)
Ballista, heavy - 15 points (5 tons)
Catapult, light - 6 points (1 ton)
Catapult, medium - 12 points (3 tons)
Catapult, heavy - 18 points (5 tons)
Cannon - 10 points (5 tons)

So 1 heavy catapult (18 points), 1 medium ballista (10 points), and two cannons (10 points each) comes to a total of 48 points, but a cargo ship can only hold 36 points worth of artillery.

[Bishgada]

OK. So Senllip will ask to install 1 medium ballista, 1 cannon and 1 medium Catapult and hire 6 more mates that can operate the cannon + either ballista or catapult depending on distance and type of threat they face.

[Daos]

Okay, that will come to a total of 7,300 gold pieces (not including ammunition) for the weapons.  Medium ballista bolts cost 15 GP each and weigh 15 pounds each.  Medium catapult stones cost 15 GP and weigh 75 pounds each.  Cannon balls cost 30 GP each and weigh 25 pounds.  Firing a cannon takes 10 doses of blackpowder.  A keg of blackpowder contains 100 doses, costs 1,000 GP and weighs 5 pounds.  How much ammunition do you want?

As for mates, a medium ballista requires 2 people to work, a cannon also requires 2, and a medium catapult requires 3.  A cargo ship can have a maximum crew of 30 and needs at least 10 people to sail and not be considered skeleton crew.  Currently, you have 13 crewmen (all mates) remaining.  How many did you want to hire?

[Bishgada]

Hi,
 Well, I have no idea how many bolts/balls/stones are usually spent in sea fights or attacking fleets docking on shore. Assuming 20-30 of each would suffice for such battle (please correct me if I'm wrong) I'd like to have between twice to trice this amount. First priority is to have the battle force balanced between our three ships since we support each other and can use better battle tactics compared to unbalanced ships.
About crew mates, I'd like to hire 10 so the ship wouldn't have to run on skeleton team and if someone gets hurt we have replacement. Also I'd like all the 23 to know to operate the weapons and be able to sail the ship and lastly Senllip will have sometimes ceremony to memorize and honor the fallen and the bravery of the team so they will know they are important and keep their morale up.

[Daos]

Aug 3, 2022 22:12:01 GMT -8 Bishgada said:

Hi,
 Well, I have no idea how many bolts/balls/stones are usually spent in sea fights or attacking fleets docking on shore. Assuming 20-30 of each would suffice for such battle (please correct me if I'm wrong) I'd like to have between twice to trice this amount. First priority is to have the battle force balanced between our three ships since we support each other and can use better battle tactics compared to unbalanced ships.
About crew mates, I'd like to hire 10 so the ship wouldn't have to run on skeleton team and if someone gets hurt we have replacement. Also I'd like all the 23 to know to operate the weapons and be able to sail the ship and lastly Senllip will have sometimes ceremony to memorize and honor the fallen and the bravery of the team so they will know they are important and keep their morale up.

Okay, so maybe 30 cannonballs then?  And three kegs of powder?  And 10 more mates will cost 40 gold up front, so that will bring your total to 11,200 gold pieces.  Sound good?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'balancing the battle force' between the three ships.

[Bishgada]

Yes, the numbers you mentioned sounds good.


Balancing the battle force is that we have three ships and if we can't make them all super-great for war I think it would be better if we keep them on the same level in battle ready scale unless each ship has different role in battle if we use some strategy. (For example, one is very fast and agile to lure pursue while the others are slow but very tanky and ambush the pursuer) 

[Daos]

Okay, sounds good.  The Blue Diamond is now fully updated.  Let me know if there's anything else you want.

HorizonsDream, what about you?  You said you wanted two cannons and three medium ballistas which will come to 13,800 GP, but how much ammunition and powder do you want, and how many new crewmen did you want to hire, and of what tier?

Likewise, Greywolf, did you want any improvements to the Salty Dwarf?

[GreyWolfVT]

I was hoping that the Salty Dwarf could maybe add some sort of armor maybe like the vikings mount shields to the exterior of the ship? I was hoping for the smaller ballista rather than cannons but then that also means having to be closer to the fighting... But otherwise I am on the same lines as Bishgada add more crew and ammunition. I'll go with the same concluded numbers he took.

[Daos]

Aug 12, 2022 3:53:26 GMT -8 GreyWolfVT said:

I was hoping that the Salty Dwarf could maybe add some sort of armor maybe like the vikings mount shields to the exterior of the ship? I was hoping for the smaller ballista rather than cannons but then that also means having to be closer to the fighting... But otherwise I am on the same lines as Bishgada add more crew and ammunition. I'll go with the same concluded numbers he took.

Cargo Ships have a Defense Class of A, which is the highest it can get.  In other words, its defense is already as high as it can go.

How many small ballista do you want installed?

[GreyWolfVT]

I am thinking one on both ends of the ship so 2. One at the Bow the other at the Stern of the ship. 

[HorizonsDream]

10 Mariners. I assume some of them can handle the new weapons?

We are probably going to need like 6 kegs of powder.

And like 100 bolts.

[Daos]

Aug 15, 2022 16:22:39 GMT -8 GreyWolfVT said:

I am thinking one on both ends of the ship so 2. One at the Bow the other at the Stern of the ship. 

Okay.  Installing two small ballista and hiring 10 more mates will cost a total of 840 gold pieces.  I'll update my notes to reflect this.  However, without any bolts, the ballista won't be of any use.  That goes for you, too, Bishgada.

Aug 15, 2022 19:45:48 GMT -8 HorizonsDream said:

10 Mariners. I assume some of them can handle the new weapons?

We are probably going to need like 6 kegs of powder.

And like 100 bolts.

Yes, it's assumed all crewmen can use artillery.  So two cannons, three medium ballista, ten mariners, 6 kegs of powder and 100 medium ballista bolts comes to 21,350 gold pieces.  I'll update my notes to reflect this.  However, without any cannonballs, the cannons won't be of any use.