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Post by Daos on Mar 17, 2018 7:35:10 GMT -8
I suppose I should specify these aren't so much Gonto's rules as the church's and kingdom's rules. Gonto decrees that you should make rules and follow them; she isn't particular about what those rules are, so long as they maintain civilization. A LG democracy and a LE tyranny are both the same to her.
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Post by Nuke on Mar 17, 2018 10:52:31 GMT -8
I don't mean to stifle conversation on the topic, but Ryan is being careful.
The thought of installing Ubisek as Leader of both tribes is a good one. Capturing him and turning him over should allow Ubisek to gain control and not create a power vacuum. I think the tribal nature of goblin society helpful.
We can hardly discuss the next move until this situation is resolved IC.
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Post by Daos on Mar 17, 2018 22:08:11 GMT -8
By the way, since I already asked NotaRobot on Theron's motivation, I should ask everyone else, too. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to discuss it publicly, but I want to hear on why your character wishes to either kill or not kill Brakk-Ni.
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Post by Ezeze on Mar 18, 2018 7:26:41 GMT -8
By the way, since I already asked NotaRobot on Theron's motivation, I should ask everyone else, too. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to discuss it publicly, but I want to hear on why your character wishes to either kill or not kill Brakk-Ni. Katya is not treating Brakk-Ni like a peasant who has violated Buho law. She is treating him like an enemy combatant and the leader of a nation at war. That affords him a degree of respect. Nothing she has said in the IC thread has been a deception. She wants peace between Buho and the goblins, but is sort of bumbling blind through goblin politics. That's part of why she wants to bring Ubisek into the mix. He is an expert on goblin politics. She's not entirely sure she can trust him, but so far his goals and hers seem to align. When Katya looked into Brakk-Ni's soul she saw that he's evil, ambitious and greedy - but she did not see a lust for violence (as opposed to Thul, who did want violence. Which is why she argued that he should be sent away before negotiations). Brakk-Ni stopped to talk when they first arrived. That, and his soul, lead Katya to assume that he could be reasoned with. Of course then he threatened to kill her companions, has continued to insist that they 'surrender' even after they defeated his guards, and insulted her by trying to pay her to leave - she isn't operating under that assumption any longer. She is also concerned about comporting herself honorably. If Brakk-Ni surrenders then he will be her prisoner. She will consider herself responsible for his safety, which means she will not turn him over to Buho with knowledge that they would just execute him. So she prefers to turn him over to Ubisek. Brakk-Ni is a commoner (technically he's a chieftain, but the Tardish government does not recognize that as a 'real' title), Brakk-Ni is a goblin, and there is no official war running. Officially, this means Brakk-Ni doesn't have much in the way of rights. Katya has some interesting opinions. She's a Paladin, but a Paladin of Crizza. She follows The Rules tm as she thinks they should be. It doesn't matter that the Tardish government doesn't recognize Brakk-Ni's title as chieftain, Katya does.We really need to start communicating better. ... Do we? We stopped to talk about our next move. Nak'skree made a suggestion and Lillian, Theron, Ladonna and Katya all went "yes, this is a good idea, let's do this." So now Katya is doing the thing we agreed to do. |
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Post by Nuke on Mar 18, 2018 7:31:24 GMT -8
Ryan had initially not really though about anything BUT killing him. But now the wheels are turning, or grinding, as the case may be. Using him to allow Usibek to seal power over both tribes is an interesting opportunity too good to pass up.
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Post by Daos on Mar 18, 2018 10:29:15 GMT -8
Ryan had initially not really though about anything BUT killing him. But now the wheels are turning, or grinding, as the case may be. Using him to allow Usibek to seal power over both tribes is an interesting opportunity too good to pass up. Do you mean that Ryan just assumed killing him was the only viable option? Or that he interpreted the reeve's orders to mean they must kill him, and to do otherwise would mean failing the mission? |
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Post by Nuke on Mar 18, 2018 12:20:33 GMT -8
He personally came to that decision. Removing the leadership would neutralize the threat, at least in his eyes.
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Post by HorizonsDream on Mar 18, 2018 13:47:50 GMT -8
Doing it once doesn't mean that the communication issue is fixed. Of course, Ladonna didn't really know what Katya was doing. As she saw was Katya pick up her weapon and attack.
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Post by Ezeze on Mar 19, 2018 10:10:54 GMT -8
We'll probably have this discussion in-character once we get to a safe distance, but; Right now we're looking at crossing back through the swamp, bending North to follow the river, skirting around top of the Bloody Spear's defensive line then immediately skirting South to avoid Buho. It took nearly all day to get from one side to the middle, so striking out into the swamp during what I assume is late afternoon or early evening (depending on how long Daos says it took to clear the mines) is a bad idea unless we want to end up mid-swamp at nightfall with an antagonistic prisoner who can see perfectly well in the dark. So we will probably make our way North around the side of the swamp (since even if the soldiers do get back today (unlikely) and disobey Brakk-Ni's order to stay in the village (a little bit less unlikely) they will have circled around the bottom of the swamp and will take time to track us going North), make camp there and set out early next morning for the little island in the middle of the swamp. Now, I doubt there are any more zombies in the swamp, but there might be more leeches so we should probably sleep then dump whatever healing spells our casters can manage before we even set out. |
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Post by Daos on Mar 19, 2018 12:59:22 GMT -8
The party can't be sure what time it is until they get back outside and look up at the sun. But OOC, I can tell you they spent around 2 1/4 hours in the cave so far, and they went in around noon time.
As for weight of treasure, gemstones are negligible, coins weigh 50 to a pound regardless of type (so taking all the coins will weigh 16.2 lbs), and books are usually around 5 lbs each.
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Post by notARobot on Mar 20, 2018 11:40:26 GMT -8
An Accurate and True Historie of the Battel of Sandon's Pass by Dewey, Foolum, and Howe  I see what you did there. |
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Post by Daos on Mar 20, 2018 11:51:57 GMT -8
Sort of a hint of just how accurate and true the book really is.  |
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Post by Ezeze on Mar 20, 2018 11:59:41 GMT -8
So my understanding is that "Villkru" is a catch-all term for "not-goblin." When Nak'skree says that Ubisek was sold into slavery by Villkru adventurers she does not necessarily mean someone from Buho.
But she might.
I assume that something would have been said before now if Buho had a practice of keeping goblin slaves. They might not because they are worried that any goblin slaves might make a break for, or work with, the goblins in the area that pose a threat to the village. They might not just because they aren't wealthy enough to do so. Clearly, though, someone in the Tardish empire does keep goblin slaves - because when Ubisek learned 'the language of the Villkru' he learned Tardish.
This brings me back to a statement I made earlier;
Man, fuck Gonto.
This is why the revolution is here.
That being said, this is also a story told by one of Ubisek's most fervent supporters and might contain some healthy exaggeration. Even so, Katya finds herself looking forward to an opportunity to speak with Ubisek. He sounds fascinating.
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Post by Daos on Mar 20, 2018 12:10:29 GMT -8
Villkru literally means 'people of the towns.' So it basically refers to any people who live in villages, towns, and cities, not necessarily just the people of Buho. More casually, though, goblins tend to use it to refer to the five playable races (humans, elves, dwarves, gnomes, and halflings).
I can confirm there are no slaves in Buho, specifically. Nor does Katya have any memory of there ever being any in her lifetime.
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Post by Ezeze on Mar 20, 2018 19:52:25 GMT -8
If Ryan goes to hurt Brakk'ni we'll have to go to initiative order.
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I see what you did there.