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Post by Daos on Mar 15, 2018 9:52:37 GMT -8
Wow...we really went through 50 pages in five months. That is some sort of massive record for my games. Anyway, here's a new OOC thread. Should be interesting to see how quickly we go through this one. Enjoy! By the way I wanted to ask notARobot : Is that an OOC motivation, or does that describe Theron's actual motivation?
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Post by Ezeze on Mar 15, 2018 12:19:03 GMT -8
Theon is as persuasive IC as notARobot is OOC
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Post by notARobot on Mar 15, 2018 12:31:18 GMT -8
By the way I wanted to ask notARobot : Is that an OOC motivation, or does that describe Theron's actual motivation? Pretty much entirely OOC. Not that Theron wouldn't like to acquire a spellbook full of new spells, but given that his spellcasting abilities have to remain on the down-low for the foreseeable future, I think he would assume that any spellbook we recover would automatically go to Ryan. IC-wise, I'd say Theron's determination to kill the Hooded One comes from equal parts (a) distrust of/hatred towards goblins and (b) having come this far, the thought of failing to accomplish their mission is unbearable to him. The possibility of recovering some kind of loot or treasure, or receiving some kind of monetary reward once they get back to Buho, might also factor in...but that motivation is sort of a distant third at this point. Theon is as persuasive IC as notARobot is OOC Sarcasm? I'm suddenly developing a new appreciation for the comment you made a few months back, about tone being hard to pick up on online...usually I feel like I'm pretty good about interpreting this sort of thing, but I could just as easily read this one either way. [EDIT: Having just read Ezeze 's latest IC post, it seems you meant that at face value. So thanks for the compliment ] [EDIT#2: Katya's making this decision based on whether or not Theron and Finbul can come to a consensus? Gonto help us...]
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Post by Daos on Mar 15, 2018 12:35:30 GMT -8
Regardless, it appears that the party has to make some... choices.
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Post by Ezeze on Mar 15, 2018 12:59:56 GMT -8
Katya's making this decision based on whether or not Theron and Finbul can come to a consensus? Gonto help us... Katya figures if Finbul and Theron both say a thing needs to happen then there can be no doubt that the thing needs to happen. You two don't agree on anything
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Post by HorizonsDream on Mar 15, 2018 15:29:44 GMT -8
The spellbook can be attained without killing the Hooded One. Take him prisoner instead.
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Post by GravityEmblem on Mar 15, 2018 17:50:35 GMT -8
Lillian's rolls have been...subpar, lately.
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Post by notARobot on Mar 15, 2018 18:05:01 GMT -8
I honestly didn't expect so much disagreement among us regarding what to do with the Hooded One. Daos was more correct than I'd previously thought, when he pointed out that it would have been a good idea to plan all this out in advance rather than figuring it out on the fly. Ladonna rubs at her forehead as everyone starts attacking once again. "His death creates a power vacuum," Ladonna points out. "Which means a temporary peace for Buho until the goblin tribes figure it out. Once it is settled between the goblin tribes, they will most likely attack again. It just just some continuous cycle of death, and we should be the ones to stop that cycle. Taking him back to our leaders is the better choice, if we can just stop attacking him long enough to come to a truce." The spellbook can be attained without killing the Hooded One. Take him prisoner instead. Do you really think this is a feasible option? It seems likely to me that he'd take advantage of any distraction we may encounter between here and Buho to try to escape. Notice how, even when he's cornered and it's just him versus our whole party of nine, he's still full of threats and bluster rather than acknowledging the weakness of his position. His spirit is in no way broken...he's still convinced he's negotiating from a position of power, and I seriously doubt he'd submit to being our prisoner and come along peacefully. And the moment he manages to escape our custody...we're right back to where we started, except worse because now we've got an enraged goblin leader on the loose with a vendetta against us. As far as the "continuous cycle of death" thing goes, I don't think we're in a position to do anything about that. As Finbul would point out, as long as the Villkru occupy land that was stolen from the indigenous goblins, there are going to be goblins who are committed to rectifying that situation. The best outcome we can hope for -- as far as our characters and the residents of Buho are concerned, at least -- is to keep the goblin tribes as weak and disorganized as possible, so that they aren't a threat to Buho. That's the only reason why Buho's leaders were able to forge an 'alliance' (albeit a loose one) with the Woodfang tribe; Ubisek and company were desperate enough that they didn't really have any other options.
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Post by HorizonsDream on Mar 15, 2018 18:39:37 GMT -8
Out of character, I'm on the fence on if this is a feasible option or not. Ladonna on the other hand doesn't see the harm in trying because they do have him cornered. There is nothing he can do other than stall for time, and even if he is stalling for time it will take at least a day for his army to return. It might take his army longer to return. Daos would have to answer that question. If talking to him does not work, then killing him is the second choice. You'll notice that Ladonna did point out the chances of talking to him are slim due to the fact that they have committed crimes against his people, but she was willing to try.
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Post by Ezeze on Mar 16, 2018 13:54:17 GMT -8
Hey Daos
I'm assuming that as a Lawful god of Lawfulness Gonto has some opinions about proper conduct towards prisoners and captives, yes?
Does Crizza?
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Post by Daos on Mar 16, 2018 14:02:28 GMT -8
Correct. There are rules on prisoners and prisoners of war in regard to what you can and cannot do to them, including torture, abuse, slavery, ransoming, and so forth. Nope. Crizza sez: Do whatever you want.
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Post by Ezeze on Mar 16, 2018 14:14:11 GMT -8
Correct. There are rules on prisoners and prisoners of war in regard to what you can and cannot do to them, including torture, abuse, slavery, ransoming, and so forth. Rad. Can we get the kind of high-level overview of The Rules that the Gontorians in the party would have picked up? They are about to be relevant.
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Post by Daos on Mar 16, 2018 14:35:10 GMT -8
The rules vary depending on if the person being arrested is noble or commoner, and if the person doing the arresting is noble or commoner, the race of the prisoner, and whether there's a war going on or not.
For the sake of simplicity, I won't burden you with all the variations right now. The party are all commoners, Brakk-Ni is a commoner (technically he's a chieftain, but the Tardish government does not recognize that as a 'real' title), Brakk-Ni is a goblin, and there is no official war running.
Officially, this means Brakk-Ni doesn't have much in the way of rights. Goblins are considered a 'sub-human' group, which means they are barely above animals in the eyes of the law. You can beat them, torture them, abuse them, injure them, deny them food and water or basic hygiene and medical care, and sell them into slavery.
(That being said, if the party's goal is to one day create peace with the goblins, it may be a good idea to treat him well anyway.)
Crizza, as I said, doesn't care about rules and regulations.
Octhanus would demand prisoners be well cared for and treated humanely, regardless of race or any other circumstances.
Renos would say showing kindness and respect to a prisoner is revealing weakness; better to beat him to an inch of his life to send a strong message not to mess with you, especially if he mouths off or in any way challenges your power.
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Post by Ezeze on Mar 16, 2018 14:56:44 GMT -8
Man, fuck Gonto.
This is why the revolution is here.
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Post by GravityEmblem on Mar 17, 2018 4:57:54 GMT -8
Also why Lillian doesn't actively follow any deity.
(If she did it would probably be Octhanus)
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